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    According to the biblical account, a united humanity of the generations following the Great Flood, speaking a single language and migrating from the east, came to the land of Shinar, where they resolved to build a city with a tower "with its top in the heavens...lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the Earth." God came down to see what they did and said: "They are one people and have one language, and nothing will be withholden from them which they purpose to do." So God said, "Come, let us go down and confound their speech." And so God scattered them upon the face of the Earth, and confused their languages, and they left off building the city, which was called Babel "because God there confounded the language of all the Earth."(Genesis 11:5-8).

    Once upon a time there was man and there was woman. Fitness clubs were created to promote better health and better living. Everyone knew what a healthy, good looking person looked like and viola.


    And then a man came along and figured out that by hosting a contest and creating a statue with his head on another mans body he could create a "fitness" empire selling books, magazines, and equipment to people who wanted more. Health clubs have been replaced by globo-gyms to satisfy the consumers idea of what is "normal". These clubs provide services from exercise machines with built in mini fridges, alarms to ensure that no one is grunting, and even smoothy bars to replace those 700 calories you didn't burn off to begin with.
    Magazines and website about promising to satisfying your every need and desire, filling your eyes with superhumans and your mind with guaranteed tools to make you look like your hero"¦which is obviously true in every way. Of course you need to spend $150 to be sure.

    The main problems that I see are the simple issues with people speaking different languages. Someone asks a simple question: "How do I get strong?" Piece of cake right? Lift weights. Done. Next question. How about we rephrase that slightly to "What is strong?" Is being able to do a pushup "strong"? What about bench pressing bodyweight? How about Deadlifting 600lbs for a set of 5? This is where context is important. In order to take you to your goal we have to be speaking the same language. If you want to be "healthy" you have to start w\ a common understanding of what "health" is. Taking a page from the book of Dan John, health is defined by the "optimal interplay of the organs". You can quantify this by markers such as blood pressure, panels, resting heart rate, etc. If you want to be fit, you have to start with a common understanding of what fit is. Is a marathoner fit? What about a powerlifter? Again, going back to the world of Dan John, let's define fitness as the ability to complete a task. So with our running definition of fitness you can quantify the success or failure by simply identifying what task you're trying to improve and measure periodically. Are you getting better? If yes then you have a good plan. If no, then your plan doesn't work.

    Goals of the day: Speak a common language. Identify your goals. Create a full understanding of what success is and how you are going to measure your progress towards it. Communicate all of this to those who you're asking help from.[/align:8isbfj00]

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    It does seem that we are often using the same words but not saying the same things.

    nice work!

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    Okay first off dang good post! Second I am guessing this is from the book your reading,if so where can I get it. I'd like to read more. This thread really hit home with things I hear people talking about like I want to be in shape or I want to be strong. I think people have forgotten how simple getting is shape or being strong is. I think that is because there is an overwhelming amount of information out today that is and can be so conflicting. In the above post you talked about are you getting better or not at what every your doing. IMO that is a key factor in reaching a goal. I know that's stating what should already be clean, but it's not always so to people that have never worked out or trained for a certain goal. I know I am one of them people. I like body weight stuff, but at one time I wanted to do or be a powerlifting/strongman for years I have bounced back and forth, I still have no idea what "goals" I want to reach.

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    Very nice essay, Dr. Sayers!

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    I wish Marilyns body was what was ideal now. By today's standards, she would be considered fat. I think I read once that she was a size 12 or 14. Today, she would be a plus size model! And we women would be shown a woman that is very skinny as ideal. Remember when Heroine chic was popular?

    It's funny how things change. I see teen boys now as skinny as they can be. Weird! skinnier than teen girls sometimes.

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    In the days of Marilyn a size 12 would probably be the equivalent of a size 6 or 8 today!

    Her measurements are reported as either 37-23-36 or 35-22-35 and her weight was usually 115-120 with her highest weight at 140, during a depressive episode. Who knows, though.


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