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    Review - Weingroff - Training=Rehab Rehab=Training

    Who is this Guy, What is the Product?
    Charlie Weingroff – Training=Rehab, Rehab=Training

    Charlie is a Doctor of Physical Therapy, a Certified Athletic Trainer, and a Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist. He was most recently the Director of Physical Performance and Resiliency and Lead Physical Therapist for the United States Marines Corps Special Operations Command in Camp Lejeune, NC. He is also Director of Clinical Education for the Vibraflex Whole-Body Vibration and Andante Medical, the makers of the SmartStep, mobile force plate. He graduated from Ursinus College with a degree in Exercise and Sports Science in 1996, and went on to earn an MSPT in 1999 and DPT in 2010 from the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey.
    Training=Rehab, Rehab=Training is a 12+ hour, 6-disc set shot on-location over a weekend at an Equinox Fitness Club in New York City. It documents Dr. Weingroff's continuing efforts to reinvent and redefine the language between the rehabilitation and performance enhancement training landscapes. And while there are plenty of examples for those who just want the exercises, these DVDs are more about designing your own blueprints based on common rules that medical professionals and personal trainers should honor.
    What does this product claim?

    Writes Charlie Weingroff"”
    The goal of my DVD set is teach non-medical professionals the SFMA with restrictor plates. There will be no breakouts, no manual therapy, and no treating pain.

    I think it is a huge void where non-medical folks don't have the tool(s) to work side by side with medical clinicians with the same template. Non-painful dysfunction is the FMS; you will learn how to get into those patterns with my DVD, and you will leave the painful patterns to those that are qualified. If that happens to be you anyway, all the better.

    You'll find a lot more explanation than just the SFMA. Topics will be typical injuries you see when the joint by joint goes wrong, the core pendulum theory, and understanding the inner core.
    Where can I get it and how much does it cost?
    Physical Product - $197.00

    Download - $115 - Link 1, Link 2


    - The download wasn't the fastest in the world but the connection was solid and serviceable. Most of the downloads went through with no problems. I had a problem with one but I think that was more user error than any actual technical issues.

    - I reviewed this on a 13" PC Monitor, 22" PC monitor, and a 32" LCD television. The video quality is not particularly high quality but it is serviceable. There is some artifacting that becomes more prominent with scaling, enough to notice but not enough to be distracting. I am not certain I'd want to watch this on my living room television but on a standard monitor or portable device it should work great.

    Disks 1-2: The speaker delivers his message and has a powerpoint slide show and handouts for the audience to follow along with. Unfortunately the slide show\handouts are not included in the downloads (I'm unaware one way or the other on the DVD set) and the slide show is not windowed or presented consistently to the during the presentation. Most if not all the slides are presented and this is much less of an issue on the second disk than the first but there is little uniformity to the duration and the transitions to these slides are sometimes quite jarring. One time I felt as though I was watching one of those youtube videos where you're supposed to pay close attention and a scary picture and noise pops out.

    Most of the video is presented with the presenter lecturing. He makes good use of his space and is well animated. There are times where he will demonstrate a movement (let's say a squat) where the camera is left showing the top of his head while he is talking or interacting with the audience. While these instances are few they are frequent enough that it sticks out like a sore thumb and comes across as sloppy.

    Disk 3: Is a continuation of the combination of PowerPoint and lecture. The group appears to be in something like an aerobics room which creates some echo that degrades the audio quality. It is still adequate but definitely a drop from the prior two disks.

    Disk 4: Disk four is in the same location as Disk three and begins breakout sessions where the overall quality takes a big hit where the breakout sessions are essentially chaos where the group is practicing the presented techniques as a group rendering the first 15 to 20 minutes or so of the DVD are pretty much unwatchable. There is even a moment where the presentation is shifting back to lecture tripod loses its stick and drifts towards the ceiling that left me shaking my head. It's not game breaking by any stretch but I can't imaging sitting in the editing room and making the conscious choice to include THAT in the DVD. That said, after gazing at the ceiling the presenter shifts gears away from the breakouts and tends to take much more central focus point and presents in a more video friendly way. The information from this point is presented with much less background noise and much clearer presentation. It's a shame that it took 30min to happen but once it does, life is good.

    Disk 5: Disk five takes place in the same location as four but does is comparatively quiet and continues the pace and presentation of the prior disk.

    Disk 6: Moves to a gym setting. The sound is better with fewer echoes. The presentation suffers from the same problems as disk 3 with a lot of breakout session equaling a lot of noise and not a lot of focus for the at home viewer.


    Disk 1: Disk one is primarily concerned with laying the foundation for the remainder of the lecture(s). The speaker introduces himself and presents background information to his basic influences and philosophies.

    The package states that the following are covered: Joint by Joint Theory, Advanced Joint by Joint Considerations, Training the Joint by Joint Approach, Core Pendulum Theory, and they are. The speaker does not spend a great deal of time on any particular section but he gives the audience the definition, background, further study materials, and gives a little commentary on why he feels each subject is relevant to the audience.

    Disk 2: Disk two covers the following topics: "Redefining the Core, The Janda Approach, Proprioceptive Neuromuscular Facilitation"”PNF, Segmental Rolling Patterns, Scapular Stability, and TYQLMs". This a continuation of the first lecture where the presenter is laying down the foundation to what the CORE is and principles that the presenter believes and why he believes it.

    Disk3: is still lecture coming primarily the FMS and SFMA process and disk four is the official shift to the "outer core" and everything is pretty much on par with the prior disks.

    Disk 4: Disk four begins the hands on portion of the lectures where the presenter displays mobilization\stabilization techniques and verbal\physical cues that are clear and precise. There's still a lot of reference towards the handouts that's not included in the DVD but the information that IS presented is clear and well done.

    Disk 5: Disk five is a continuation of four covering SFMA Functional Training, Upper & Lower Crossed, Syndrome, Strengthening Dysfunction. The presenter hits the theory again real quick and then discusses how to attack with some demonstrations of some corrective movements. There seems to be some issue with time here as the pace of the demonstration seems to be speeding up rapidly and the depth of discussion seems to be getting a little shallower than prior disks.

    Disk 6: Disk six moves into a gym environment where he's displaying the next level of training\correctives as he's combining mobility\stability movements. He covers hinging movements (DL, SDL, Swing), various squats, and chops\lifts. Each component has a verbal lecture and demonstration of various things to look for and cues and a breakout where various people are trying out what they learned on each other and the presenter walks around and tells them what they're doing right wrong on each other and calls attention to real life examples where someone is doing something wrong and how to correct. Sometimes the trainer is doing something wrong and the correction is clarification of the expectations, if the trainee is doing something wrong then you have to dig out and see why.

    Because of the formatting, disk six is a little more chaotic and is somewhat reminiscent of disk 3 but it never gets so bad as the previous disk. It's just a little sloppy.

    The first thing to keep in mind when looking at something like this is to consider who the intended audience for the product is and in this case it's a personal trainer who has at the very least a mild understanding of Gray Cooke's functional movement screen (FMS). You don't need to be an expert at it but if you have no idea that such a thing exists, this probably isn't the starting point for you.

    The second thing to keep in mind is the product's objective. In this series the presenter's purpose is to display HIS interpretation of the FMS an various other corrective strategies, lay out a foundation of understanding in terms of application on a personal trainer level of those strategies, and give a springboard should you as the personal trainer decide to pursue further personal research.

    With these two things in mind: "Is this a good product?" Assuming that you're a personal trainer who is walking into this purchase with the understanding that a lot of this lecture is designed to give you the starting points to conduct your own research, I'd argue yes. The presenter himself is very entertaining and is excellently credentialed. While there are some disappointments from a presentation perspective, none of these are game breaking and the product delivers on its goals as far as giving you concepts that you can apply today and give you clear guidance on where to look for further guidance.

    If you are NOT a personal trainer, you do NOT have the slightest grasp of the FMS, and you want all the answers right now wrapped up in a bow"¦move on. You're not going to be satisfied.

    My only real recommendation would be to buy this as a set. This is a case where I think the whole is CONSIDERABLY more valuable than the sum of its parts.

    Notes: Tony Sayers M.S., NASM-PES is an amateur fitness enthusiast. He is not a professional and does not review fitness theory, only products per their description. His reviews are personal opinion and all members are encouraged to seek medical clearance prior to the implantation of any fitness program.

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    Re: Review - Weingroff - Training=Rehab Rehab=Training

    Good stuff. Charlie is obviously a smart guy and is an asset to trainers he educates and the athletes he works with.

    Since that was filmed he's done quite a bit of DNS courses as well as Other systems so I expect T=R2 will reflect that.

    Any trainer would be served well by incorporating this knowledge.


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