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    Review - Exploring Functional Movement

    Who is this Guy, What is the Product?
    Erwan Le Corre and Gray Cook – Exploring Functional Movement DVD Download

    Fundamental mobility and stability are often the scope of corrective exercises, but how much correction is naturally available? Gray Cook of Functional Movement Systems and Erwan Le Corre of MovNat deliver innovative content that reinforces both the FMS and MovNat principles. These principles are based on the science that exists within natural authentic movements we use every day in activity and exercise.

    Gray and Erwan discuss self-limiting exercise, motor control, strength training, corrective strategy, and much more. Packed with live coaching sessions and demonstrations, detailed explanations, and informative discussions, see how these two experts blend the fundamental aspects of natural movement into corrective programs that create unlimited workout potential.
    What does this product claim?
    Learn to perform and coach these techniques in this natural movement experience as they showcase how a variety of exercises from the very basic to the more advanced that can be corrective and scalable to address fitness and the function of exercise.
    Where can I get it and how much does it cost?
    $89.95

    Review:
    Download
    - The download was quick and easy. The set is a single zipped file. No issues.

    Video\Sound
    - I reviewed this on a 13"¯ PC Monitor, 22"¯ PC monitor, and a 32"¯ LCD television. The video quality is pretty solid with clear picture and no obvious breakdowns anywhere.

    - I listened with three different headphones and on computer speakers. On the speakers the voices were clear and distinct the entire portion with little to no distortion. One oddity though, all three headphones displayed distortion during various parts of the videos sounding like some sort of bass humming. Almost like a ship in the harbor blowing it's horn. This isn't game breaking but it's certainly a distraction.


    Review:
    Disks 1 and 2 are guided lecture where Gray and Erwan go out to alake and you're introduced to the MovNat theory and get demonstrations of movements and guided coaching. The actual videos themselves are well filmed and Erwin does a pretty good job of explaining what's going on at any given time. The first disk is Erwan and Gray one on one and the second is Erwan coaching a couple of folk through the process of doing some movements, evaluations, and scaling the movements.

    Disk 3 is an extras disk. This has videos of all the different exercises to include an exercise manual that you can print that has the exercises to include pictures, printed descriptions, and how they coincide with the FMS. Disk 3 also includes a MovNat manual to give you an idea of what this whole system is about.

    I set this review up a little different than the standard because the content review and presentation are so intertwined that it's very difficult to draw the line between the two. Long story short the presentation of this DVD download is pretty well just awful. The "disks"¯ appear to be broken down as they would be on the DVD's as separate files per chapter. No big deal you say"¦it's kind of a big deal. This breaks out into 82 files broken out into a dozen different folders with little to no guidance on what you're supposed to do with the set. I suspect as a DVD it probably opens to a splash page and it just inherently works halfway decent. On the download version you're opening stuck working your way through 82, five minute video clips one at a time and it's tedious.

    This isn't to say that you're left completely in the dark. The "disks"¯ are broken down, 1-2-3 with disks 1 and 2 broken down into separate folders (part 1-2). You're obviously going to start with disk one part one and progress on through the various clips but why on earth did you make the conscious decision to break it up in 82 pieces that require the user to mine to and click individually?

    Commentary:
    If you've ever heard of the Paleo diet, think of this as paleo fitness. If you do this stuff then all of the problems with being human will pretty well fix themselves"¦high five.

    Learn to perform and coach these techniques in this natural movement experience as they showcase how a variety of exercises from the very basic to the more advanced that can be corrective and scalable to address fitness and the function of exercise.
    Does it do what it says? Yeah. Demonstrations are clear. There's good commentary by Gray Cook during the whole time. There are plenty of observations and cues to pretty well break down how to do whatever exercise you're trying to do.

    Who is this for? This one is a little trickier. There's enough material to introduce you to MovNat and if you want to dip your toe into the MovNat theory then this one is a YAY for you, you're going to be thrilled. If you want to know how to implement MovNat into your workout programs"¦mehhhhhhh"¦I dunno.

    There's ultimately two ways of approaching the set. The first is from a perspective of implementing the exercises as a corrective tool (scalpel). The exercise breakout workbook thing is clear and tells you how to align it to the FMS (assuming you know what that is and how to implement THAT first). Assuming that you DO know all of that and this is your intent in purchasing the set, you're good to go.

    The second approach is taking this purely from the MovNat perspective of if you perform the movements that humans are supposed to perform (cast the net) then you don't need the scalpel since you're not going to have problems to begin with. Worse case you do a little extra movement, no big deal, movement is good. I'm not sure this side is as successful in that there is no "flow"¯ presented. Typically with yoga\pilates or other movement based activity you're going to have a natural pattern where one exercise flows into another one and you'll basically move from through a series of forms from one movement to the other. Not the case here. You are presented with 34 exercises"¦bye. I understand that the entire system is supposed to be natural and based on the environment that you're in but let's just pretend like 99.9% of the people buying this aren't going native in the woods. In my opinion as a net this one misses the mark.

    Overall as a download product I think the total is less than the sum of its parts. I like the concept. I like the video quality. I like the presenters. I like the manuals. At the end of the day I just don't think it was very well thought out as a $90 product considering at the end you're primarily looking at 3 DVD's worth of exercise demonstrations. It's hard to justify, especially with the mess of the actual download itself.

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    Notes: Tony Sayers M.S., NASM-PES is an amateur fitness enthusiast. He is not a professional and does not review fitness theory, only products per their description. His reviews are personal opinion and all members are encouraged to seek medical clearance prior to the implantation of any fitness program.

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    My first reaction after watching the videos was, eh no big deal. Erwan took movements from martial are and developmental physiology as well as old school phy Ed and organized a system. And it's not as good as it could be. I envision this approach improving in time.

    But the more I've experimented with similar ground based movement progressions stemming from my MA background but based on FMS and DNS principles and used them the more ipvalue I see in helping people move better.

    So yes this will likely not appeal to the "just wanna drop some pounds" or get big crowd, but I have see some real benefit by introducing similar movements into programs of people with particular deficiencies and it has really helped.

    Our movement class has really been a hit as well, and people have enjoyed it more than I expected. They end up gettin a challenging workout, though with no typical set rep, or time schemes.

    I expect movement systems will catch on in time, but hopefully those based on sound principles such as that of Gay. It wasn't long ago that even many strength coaches made fun of KBs, sandbags etc... But look at what everyone is using now.

    I know of more than one pro sports organization integrating crawling and rolling patterns Into their training.

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    Agreed. The first thought I had was jujitsu class warmups minus a couple of cartwheels and I know for a fact that when i did that stuff every day I felt good and moved good and mobility progression was not the goal.

    I personally don't care for the logic behind the system or even the delivery of it. I just don't like caveman, hunting, hiding from predators as a logic for doing something. But I'm willing to accept doing things because "you should\they're good for you".

    I think that if you could find a practitioner in your area, it'd be a good thing to get into. As a product in and of itself it's just lacking, especially at the price point.

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    damn auto correct on my iPad. Excuse all the typos in my last post.

    Yeah the caveman stuff is as hokey as eating paleo because some guy with a book to sell says our ancestors supposedly didn't eat grains. I love that he is always shirtless, which makes some urban French guy talking about stalking prey by crawling in the grass that much funnier.

    But Erwan and MovNat are just one group using fundamental movements so we have to get past the marketing and recognize what Gray and others see in it.

    This stuff works, and when combined with good breathing patterns, which aren't shown in the video, then some pretty cool corrections can happen. PT/Chiro friends have been using this with patients and taking them out of back/hip/shoulder pain pretty quick, then we continue getting them aligned, moving better, then stronger.

    The move better first, then think about getting stronger is important.

    If most people incorporated even some of the movements I think they'd likely see benefit, so I think it is worth the money.

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    Do you have this DVD set Chris? It sounds like you're talking about the system and I'm talking about the DVD's and I think there's a distinction there that's important.

    What are some of the alternative groups that are offing fundamental movements? Do they have products that might give a similar end result for a similar or better price point, or higher quality for the same price point? That last part is the perspective that I'm coming from. If someone is going to spend money on a product is that product the highest quality product in its price range and\or what are alternatives that might give a similar result.

    Having just realized that I failed to provide alternatives myself, I like Tim Anderson's stuff from a product standpoint. You can spend $20 and get a similar taste of the movnat stuff. Heck, even taking a martial arts class or going to a "good" yoga class if that's your thing.

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    I do have the DVDs, but do not know if there are other products out there that go through those types of movements.
    Dr. Andreo Spina may have a video.
    Not sure if Primal Move has any products out, but I'm suspicious of the quality of these branded systems. They tend to focus on how awesome their way is as a means of marketing and end up degrading quality.

    I've learned by going to workshops and then integrating it together into logical progressions based on the needs of the individual.

    Gray Cook's crawling and rolling patterns, which Charlie Weingroff and others have combined with DNS-based breathing and centration principles. Ido Portal's material has useful aspects, Steve Cotter's Chi Gung based movements and so on.

    Dr. Phillip Snell, Dr. Craig Liebenson, Dewey Nielson, and others are doing good work with movement and breathing based material as well.

    It's an evolving area I think.

    There are underlying threads in all but again I've learned by working in person with these individuals, workshops or YouTube, then put 2 & 2 together.

    All that said I think this DVD set provides a good intro as to what some of these movements are, and why they are good to incorporate. It doesn't provide a program or set of workouts necessarily, though anyone could create some. But the bigger picture is key I think.

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    Nice discussion here.

    I've not seen the DVDs, but Galya believes in this stuff. She is a primal move girl, btw. I don't think they have any DVDs, so she better hurry!

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