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    There may be a large element of internet conspiracy theory involved here, so skepticism is definitely warranted, but I haven't seen anything refuting these claims yet, and the details are very specific.

    If it all played out as described, I would expect that Auburn would get tossed out of the NCAA completely, not just a death penalty.

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    Too much to easily condense. But start with shady dealings between Auburn's board of trustees and a bunch of shady businesses - a failed bank, a variety of gambling interests, etc.

    FBI investigates the group of shady businessmen under the RICO act, gets a wiretap on the phones of one of the guys of the center of the shadiness, and for 13 months listens in on every call that went into and out of his office. They find the links to Auburn's BoT, and to Auburn's athletic boosters. Supposedly has a bunch of stuff on tape with Auburn boosters talking about which players get how much money and when - which although against NCAA rules, isn't actually criminal. But they also supposedly have all kinds of info on money laundering, tax evasion, etc - talk of players' families being paid-off in casino chips, or given ATM cards tied to accounts with no names on them. So now the FBI has a reason to be investigating these people at Auburn for CRIMINAL charges.

    I must admit that the rumors flying around for the last few weeks about the FBI being involved make a lot more sense with this story as background. There's no reason for the FBI to be investigating Auburn for pay-for-play. But with money laundering, tax evasion, racketeering and other RICO charges on the table, FBI involvement makes a lot more sense.

    If a fraction of this is true, Auburn will get the Death Penalty. It's not just a school with a lack of institutional control, it's a school where the control of the institution was maintained by a criminal enterprise that likes sports and wants to buy the best football team available...

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    Holy shit! For some reason, I just thought it was a case of a star athlete's father trying to get paid. This looks like a massive, decades-long conspiracy to defraud the entire state of Alabama. The part about the state supreme court justice raising $13 million to get re-elected in a state of 4 million people is eye-opening.

    Maybe the "tell" is the fact Auburn hired Gene Chizik, a very low-profile HC from Iowa State (not a well-known incubator of coaching talent), and this guy suddenly corrals one of the best recruiting classes ever.

    The money they're talking about is huge. If the players and their parents thought it through to the logical conclusion -- a school can't pay six-figure bribes to teenagers and hope to get away with it -- maybe they figured they'd get to keep the money even if the whole thing blew up.

    I would say I feel bad for Auburn's fans, but after all the scandals, on top of the improbable recruiting of Cam Newton and others, those who weren't willfully blind must've known it wouldn't last.

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    If true it would be one of the biggest sports stories ever.

    To be fair, ESPN has said the reason the FBI got involved was because they were looking into if pimping out the services of a minor by the parents was legal or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by "eastcoastsurfer":2ajcp153
    If true it would be one of the biggest sports stories ever.
    Like I said, I don't know how much to believe, but if true this would be on par with steroids in baseball and the Black Sox scandal, at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by "nate99":2cb8gv7q
    Like I said, I don't know how much to believe, but if true this would be on par with steroids in baseball and the Black Sox scandal, at least.
    I think it would be bigger than steroids because if the story is true it links large gambling interests to paying for players. It just opens up all new lines of questioning around lines on games and player integrity.

    I finally read through the whole story and some of it seems almost too spectacular to be true. But, where there is smoke...those 3 people were arrested and if the FBI has had taps in place for the last 1.5 years if they did pay Cam it's likely on the tapes. Having the tapes could be great for Cam because if it's not on them then it goes a long way to clearing his name. If he was paid for it's likely he wasn't the only one and all the info should be there.

    Personally, I hope he keeps playing so when SCAR gives them the beat down in the SEC championship people don't make any excuses for AU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by "eastcoastsurfer":169szby6

    I finally read through the whole story and some of it seems almost too spectacular to be true.
    I agree. It's the deep and serious nature of the speculation that makes me think that there would be no way that it could be that big of a scandal.

    I know a lot of people don't care much about college football, but for those that do, it would be by far the sports story of the century and would probably lead to some really big changes.

    There are billions of legitimate dollars involved in college football these days, add in the disreputable element and there is a huge incentive to get away with as much as you possibly can.

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    Even if only one part of it is true -- Auburn paid players, including Newton -- it couldn't come at a worse time for college football. The BCS system is now fully invested in having at least 1 undefeated team from the automatic qualifier conferences, and it needs either Auburn or Oregon to stay unbeaten and play in the championship game.

    If Oregon falls and Auburn stays unbeaten (I know Michael's Gamecocks want to make sure that doesn't happen), that means it's a coin flip, more or less, to decide whether TCU or Boise St. is more worthy of the championship game. And whichever school doesn't get that game will be in position to file a lawsuit against the BCS.

    An Auburn national championship, on top of the institutional bias toward the AQ conferences, would demolish whatever shred of credibility the BCS can still claim. At that point, college football is no more legitimate than the Tour de France, the home run total of Bonds, McGwire and Sosa, or East Germany's dominance in women's Olympic sports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by "nate99":2o4txqxt
    I agree. It's the deep and serious nature of the speculation that makes me think that there would be no way that it could be that big of a scandal.
    I would agree except that FBI was already looking at some of the PTP people for other crimes, and have since arrested them. I don't think the story is nothing, but given how much tape the FBI has it could take a long while for the NCAA to go through all of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by "Lou Schuler":2o4txqxt
    Even if only one part of it is true -- Auburn paid players, including Newton -- it couldn't come at a worse time for college football. The BCS system is now fully invested in having at least 1 undefeated team from the automatic qualifier conferences, and it needs either Auburn or Oregon to stay unbeaten and play in the championship game.
    If we can't beat AU I would love for them to play Boise or TCU and completely bury them in the championship game. I'm tired of all the noise these teams make while only playing 1-2 hard games each year. And then the idiocy of 'proving' TCU was good when they beat Utah who then loses to ND.

    If a school wants a shot at the BCS title then join a BCS conference. Come play in the SEC week in and week out and see how beat up your players are after 8-9 games of playing top competition each week. Put Bama in the WAC or MWC and see how many games they lose each year. What BSU needs to do is join the PAC 10 (12 next year, and they are already part of the conference for wrestling) and TCU should join one of the big middle of the country conferences.

    Just take a look at the TCU or BSU schedule. BSU has a win over an overrated VT and...yawn. TCU won over Utah who I have no idea how they ever made it to #5. Now look at SCARs schedule, they had to play GA, AL, Arkansas, FL, AUx2! I believe in any given Saturday/Sunday, but take a TCU or BSU and put them through a big conference schedule and I can promise you that they would be pretty beat down by the end of the year.

    Now, with that said I would prefer a 6 team playoff system but since that won't happen the above solution of joining a real conference would work for me

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    Wow! I can't believe Newton was cleared to play even after the NCAA concluded his dad did shop him around for money. I fully expect every player to be shopped around by those close to him from now on, and if they get caught just deny that they knew anything about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by "eastcoastsurfer":2txrhoql
    Wow! I can't believe Newton was cleared to play even after the NCAA concluded his dad did shop him around for money. I fully expect every player to be shopped around by those close to him from now on, and if they get caught just deny that they knew anything about it.
    You beat me to it. I was just about to post this analysis from Sports Illustrated. Building on your point:

    Also, by doing the right thing based on the available evidence, the NCAA has opened a gaping loophole in its own enforcement process. Any player who is for sale during his recruitment now may shift blame to a parent, an uncle or a crooked family friend and say, "Well, you let Cam Newton play." USC tailback Dillon Baxter should be furious. His school held him out of a game for receiving a golf cart ride from an agent. Any player who has had to sit a game because someone considered by the NCAA to be a booster or agent bought lunch has a legitimate beef. My guess is that if Auburn isn't in a position to win the national title, the NCAA would have suspended Newton for a game or two, but the stakes were just too big -- especially considering undefeated Auburn got jobbed out of playing for the national title by the BCS system only six years ago.

    How big is the loophole? Ask Sonny Vaccaro, the basketball power-broker. "The NCAA just gave cover to every middle man in the country," Vaccaro told Dan Wetzel of Yahoo! Sports. "The kids never know. In all my years, I've never heard of a kid being involved in the negotiation. You think they ask? Of course not. Their mom asks. Their coach asks. Their cousin asks. This is crazy."

    Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz16xl2DK3O

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    Lou,

    In addition to what you posted it also goes against everything the NCAA has said to date. Coaches have been on the radio all morning saying the NCAA has told them numerous times that anything the parents do is equivalent to the kid doing it. The NCAA has become a joke.

    Doesn't really matter for AU anyway, since SCAR is going to beat them down on Saturday

    Lou Holtz picked us to beat AL and he picked us over AU this morning. If we don't give up 4 turnovers in the second half like we did the first game against AU, we should beat them.

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    I'm rooting for the Cocks this weekend ... and I believe that's the first time in my life I've used those words in that order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by "Lou Schuler":3ak8p29m
    I'm rooting for the Cocks this weekend ... and I believe that's the first time in my life I've used those words in that order.
    You can complete the thought by pulling for the Beavers in Oregon-Oregon St. game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by "russ":206pnvms
    You can complete the thought by pulling for the Beavers in Oregon-Oregon St. game.
    Have we ever had Oregon St. vs. South Carolina for the battle of the Cocks vs. the Beavers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by "BurgerBob":1kpbogq9
    Have we ever had Oregon St. vs. South Carolina for the battle of the Cocks vs. the Beavers?
    Yes. They once played a neutral site game in Intercourse, PA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by "russ":qp7jx2r3
    Yes. They once played a neutral site game in Intercourse, PA.
    Bah-dum bum!

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    Quote Originally Posted by "eastcoastsurfer":28qxk191
    Doesn't really matter for AU anyway, since SCAR is going to beat them down on Saturday

    Lou Holtz picked us to beat AL and he picked us over AU this morning. If we don't give up 4 turnovers in the second half like we did the first game against AU, we should beat them.
    Looked like you were going to be right, but things turned around after the opneing kickoff :tongue

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    Quote Originally Posted by "russ":3oexnhy4
    Looked like you were going to be right, but things turned around after the opneing kickoff :tongue
    We played horribly, especially on the defensive side. SCAR was turning things around and clawing back into the game until the hail mary to end the first half (SCAR would have started the second half with the ball and down 1 score instead of 2). That killed the team emotionally and ended the game right there.

    I don't mind losing games, but what makes me so mad is that AU came right out and ran the plays I would run against our secondary because we have let receivers get over the top all year. Why the coaches have not fixed that problem in the last 6-7 weeks is beyond me. Off the top of my head games where I saw the problem:

    AL - 3rd quarter TD
    UK - 4th quarter TD, and led to a SCAR loss
    AU - big play opening drive, TD 2nd quarter
    Troy - wide open twice in 1st quarter, but the QB overthrew the ball

    In a few years the NCAA will rule Newton ineligible and give us the SEC title. After the way we played I would tell them to give it to someone else though.

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    My team is playing in the Shameless Commerce Who Gives a Fuck Bowl. Oh well. That's what happens when you lose a game you shouldn't lose.

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