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    Pujols to the Angels

    Seems the Astros can't get away from this guy.

    Here's hoping he gets fat and happy (and forgets how to hit).

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    Pujols to the Angels

    I wish him luck, except when he plays the Cards or Astros!

    He gave St. Louis 11 great years. I don't think anybody in baseball worked harder than him, or cared more. He wanted to be in the lineup every day. If he could get out of bed, he wanted to play 9 innings and get his swings in.

    I can't knock the guy for taking a big offer. And I don't knock the Cards for not trying to match it. They would've been uncompetitive for a generation if they tied up 20-25% of their payroll in one guy for the next 10 years, especially when the one guy is on the wrong side of baseball's aging curve.

    2012 is going to be a bitch for the Cards. But even with the Pujols, they would've been older and slower than the 2011 team. Now they have some flexibility, and I hope they use it on a more balanced lineup. There's only one Albert Pujols, but there are plenty of guys who're better than the scrubs they had penciled in at second, short, and center.

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    Pujols to the Angels

    BTW, the Astros hired the Cards' draft guru as GM. Should be interesting to see how he'll rebuild that franchise. He did great work for the Cardinals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by "Lou Schuler":1w1x96gw
    BTW, the Astros hired the Cards' draft guru as GM. Should be interesting to see how he'll rebuild that franchise. He did great work for the Cardinals.
    They'll need all the help they can get. Our AAA affiliate looks like a company softball team, without the young guys.

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    Pujols to the Angels

    What can you tell me about Mark Melancon?

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    Pujols to the Angels

    Not much. To be honest, the Astros were so brutal last year that I don't really have a first person impression of the guy.

    Only so much a reliever can do on a team that bad. Stats were decent though.

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    Pujols to the Angels

    Quote Originally Posted by "nate99":20fx5o6g
    Not much. To be honest, the Astros were so brutal last year that I don't really have a first person impression of the guy.

    Only so much a reliever can do on a team that bad. Stats were decent though.
    I guess we'll find out here in Boston. All closers make me cringe, anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by "no mouse no more":llhca9lr
    I guess we'll find out here in Boston. All closers make me cringe, anyway.
    I rediscovered this thread when a spammer posted on it.

    Great observation about closers.

    The Cards lost theirs to an elbow injury, just weeks after signing him to a 2-year contract. The guys they plugged in have blown 3 saves already this season. And we're only 12 games in!

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    Pujols to the Angels

    Our new closer, Hanrahan, was just put on the DL after a miserable outing the other day and an 11.57 ERA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by "no mouse no more":3opcf3ea
    Our new closer, Hanrahan, was just put on the DL after a miserable outing the other day and an 11.57 ERA.
    And yet, the Cards and Sox both have winning records so far. Goes to show how many ways there are for teams to win and lose games.

    Teams that put too many resources into their closer get burned so often that some teams are refusing to make that kind of investment in a guy whose job, by definition, is to get 2-3 outs 50 times a year. It's understood that he'll fail 5-8 times. A good closer saves maybe 40 games a year, which is typically 110-120 outs.

    (The outs he gets in the games he fails to save are worthless to the team, since it doesn't matter if he gets 0, 1, or 2 outs. If he doesn't get all 3 before the other team ties the game or goes ahead, he's failed.)

    Meanwhile, a frontline starter is expected to get more than 500 outs a season -- an average of 18 in 30-32 starts. At least 2/3 of those are expected to come in games the team wins.

    So where does a team put its resources? In the guy who gets 350+ outs in games the team wins, or the guy who gets maybe 120 outs (in a great season) in winning games? Are outs more important in the 9th inning than in the 1st through 6th or 7th innings?

    They're certainly more exciting in the 9th inning, but teams rarely score the winning runs that late in the game. The real leverage is often in the middle innings, when the starter is on his 3rd or 4th time through the batting order, and the first reliever comes in with runners on base and the game truly on the line.

    The ironic thing is that teams typically give those innings to young pitchers making league minimum. When they succeed at the most difficult job in the bullpen, they're subsequently promoted to pitch the 8th or 9th innings, which pays better and gets more attention, but is typically less important for the team.

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