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    Debating fitness with people on non-fitness forums...ugh.

    Quote Originally Posted by "AS":25j0y6wr
    I have no doubt that doing squats, deads, power cleans, etc helps enormously in terms of playing football, I wasn't really thinking of the functional aspect of coming off the ball as a lineman.

    I was mainly responding to this commentL

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    I like the positive reinforcement I get from being more functional, 24/7, as an added motivation.
    I did a poor job of trying to add to what you were saying. I agree with you 100%. You're one of the folks that "gets it".

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    Debating fitness with people on non-fitness forums...ugh.

    If we're talking "everyday life" then strength is considered a general fitness quality.

    Meaning, being stronger helps out the specific activity even if it doesn't directly improve it. That's where people tend to be confused about the matter.

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    Debating fitness with people on non-fitness forums...ugh.

    Yea. I use buzz words because I don't fully understand the concepts yet.

    I tell you what though. I'm fairly certain that single leg squats improved my curb walking skills, which corresponds to any time your foot half steps on a crack, and you catch your balance.

    What I mean by functional when it comes to squatting, other than just my sports specific, is always "the worst case scenerio." I guess that not everyone needs to be prepared in this way and it may be considered over prepared by some, and even obsessive in some cases, but if you ever need to lift something on your back, like a boat that is half stuck on a rock or something, you'd have more chance of maintaining control if you do free weights. However that is more of a good samaritan "rescue someone else thing," and it presuposses if that is a word that people's greatest joy in life is to help others, and that this urge will overcome the social stigmas that accompany being strong, and our general laziness, but I'm dead wrong. I have extra motivation at times because of my lack of validation from others in the past, and although my ethical justifications are good, the reality is a different story.

    So, in general, there is less of a need for general "functionability" that I originally though, however, the more the better, as long as we keep the rest of our live balanced too ya know?

    Why yell at someone for doing smith machine squats instead of free weight squats, if their nutrition is horrible, or they are a mean person... I myswel yell at them for what they really need, or perhaps not yell at all lol.

    Deadlifts, though, as opposed to hyper extensions, even with a hexagon, seem VERY generally functional.
    Pushups, because of the shoulder stability
    Farmers walk

    What yall think? i'm learnin here

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    Debating fitness with people on non-fitness forums...ugh.

    Turns out that I was able to walk on a curb this morning without falling on my head, and I've never even done a single legged squat on a BOSU ball. I might just be a freak of nature though.

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    Debating fitness with people on non-fitness forums...ugh.

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    Lol. I don't do them on the bosu ball, and I don't see any point in me attempting that again until I can do 20 easy single leg squats a side. I suppose, at that level you myswel be doing agility drills instead of wasting your time with bosu balls. :P

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    Debating fitness with people on non-fitness forums...ugh.

    In the initial post the lady "had hit a weight loss wall" (plateau). In this case she would need to change something, her training program, calorie intake, daily activity, type of food, ect...

    The most important thing to consider is her specific goal of weight loss.

    With this in mind a properly executed functional training program would cause her to activate more muscle fibers (i.e. Transvers Abdominus, Glutes, other stabilizers). This would lead to quicker weight loss assuming that everthing else stayed the same (i.e. calorie intake) that's a big assumption.

    Realistically it is not possible to settle on the best functional exercise to choose for her without knowing more about her.

    By the way this is my first post. I am impressed by many of the comments I read. I think I am going to enjoy this!

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    Debating fitness with people on non-fitness forums...ugh.

    I'm right there with ya buddy. Know matter how educated or experienced I am, somebody always knows somebody else who "knows more". Fitness, just like everything else, has its share of non-sense. This person most likely gained clout through some other means, backpacking or whatever, and is looked upon as an expert for it. Problem is that listeners believe that said knowledge must spill over into other areas, fitness in this case. I have a client that I've been training for a couple years, he's a ju-jitsu fighter and has been doing his own workouts religiously for years. When I started training him he was in good cardio shape, could do loads of pushups, pullups and situps. I did some basic assessments on him and found he was an incredible mess. I am was amazed he could do BJJ at all. ghastly mobility and the tightest muscles I'd ever seen in my career as a trainer. Despite being such a mess, his devotion to his own workouts made him a guru in his friends and co-workers eyes. He began to tell me about the plethora of questions he got daily from his circle, and honestly i got a little jealous. This dude had more people hounding him for exercise tips than i did, and he was a banker! My jealousy quickly faded when he explained all the tips and advice he handed out. It was borderline nauseating. He didn't know any better, and neither did his friends. They all thought he was amazing, and were all eating blindly out of his hands. Things are different now, we've come a long way.

    "Never argue with fools because from a distance people can't tell who is who"

    Best to pick your battles. And to mimic Frank S. "whatever... let em be fat."
    Or just tell the dudes girlfriend that if she does iso work she'll suddenly look like a big buff bodybuilder chick. Chances are she'll believe you.

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    Debating fitness with people on non-fitness forums...ugh.

    Quote Originally Posted by "Kidsledgehammer":19tsymrh
    Or just tell the dudes girlfriend that if she does iso work she'll suddenly look like a big buff bodybuilder chick. Chances are she'll believe you.
    Really? *runs off to do lots of iso work*

    I imagine it's worse if you're a fitness professional. I get frustrated sometimes just talking to friends/family because of all the strange ideas out there, and that's without being in an environment where people are talking about or practicing fitness stuff all the time. (The day I get my mom to do ANY kind of strength training or my dad to start doing compound free weight exercises, I will throw a freaking party.)

    (Someone on another forum I read just recently asked about Crossfit. I am currently reminding myself multiple times that it just isn't worth getting into it.)

    Actually, I read Lyle McDonald's (insanely long) series on why the US sucks at Olympic Lifting last week, and I find it quite interesting how essentially the same problems crop up in all sorts of sports/fitness areas. My personal sporting area of interest is equestrian events (showjumping/dressage/cross country - the stuff you see in the Olympics, mostly) and there's a massive problem there with basically any old idiot being able to set themselves up as an instructor, and it can actually be quite dangerous. (There's a 1000+ lb creature with a brain and overdeveloped flight reflexes involved, no way THAT could go badly, right?) Because even people with good performance/show records - there is an element of natural talent that can come into play, and if you have that you are often an absolutely AWFUL instructor unless you're working with other people who have the same basic talent, because you simply can't explain why something works the way it does, or look at a student and figure out why something that works for you isn't working for THEM.

    It's just not as simple as being GOOD at something to be good at training/teaching. You have to understand the basics (and the mechanics and often in the case of sports some biology also) and WHY the basics are important and be able to figure out how to teach those basics a million and one different ways because each student might need the ideas presented just a little bit differently. I actually really respect people who are GOOD trainers/instructors in any area of sport/fitness.

    (Apparently, I am feeling long-winded this evening. And on an older thread, too. )

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    Quote Originally Posted by "Straz85":fyv3kcth
    I do quite a bit of reading on this forum, so I've gained some knowledge over the past year or so. A couple days ago I was posting on a backpacking forum I am a member of, and it turned into a debate about weight loss, which frustrated me. So this is a bit of a rant...

    Someone posted saying his wife hit a "weight loss wall". I read it, he got several responses, some were relevant, some were useless. I came across a post where he said something about her doing preacher curls. I responded to it by saying she should stay away from iso's unless she has a specific reason she's doing them. I then went into an explanation of why she should be doing more compound movements, etc. I then get this guy responding (who everyone respects quite a bit on that forum) saying I am "dead wrong" and that iso's are much better for long term fat loss. I explained why he was wrong, and his info was somewhat outdated. I also mentioned some stuff that Lou Schuler said, as well as things my orthopedic surgeon and my physical therapist told me. He insists that his info is "more than up to date" and that MY info is old. Ugh, so frustrating. Worst part, I know everyone on there looks like all his info like he's a god, so they're probably taking his advice as gospel and not listening to me at all. Anyway, I told him I want to know where he got his info, still waiting for a response...

    Sorry for the rant, it's been frustrating!
    I mean, it's his wife that's fat. What the hell do you care? If fat people or those that enable them wish to refuse the presenting of logical information then they are only punishing themselves.

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    Debating fitness with people on non-fitness forums...ugh.

    Straz hasn't been around for three years...

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    Debating fitness with people on non-fitness forums...ugh.

    Much like religion, fitness (in certain circles) probably shouldn't be a conversation topic. Just sayin'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by "stingo":2w3wicqd
    Much like religion, fitness (in certain circles) probably shouldn't be a conversation topic. Just sayin'.
    Yup. I'd rather discuss politics before I'd discuss nutrition and fitness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by "yoshia2m":3gs9ibrr
    Yup. I'd rather discuss politics before I'd discuss nutrition and fitness.
    We seriously had that as a rule this past Thanksgiving. Since my local family is small, we have Thanksgiving with another family my parents have known since before I was born, and both a member of that family and my dad were on the 'diet talk' bandwagon and everyone was SICK TO DEATH of it. Particularly since I get twitchy when someone says something that's a popular opinion but scientifically wrong, wrong, oh so very wrong.

    So to save everyone and prevent me biting through my tongue, the matriarchs of both families had a pre-turkey-day discussion and laid down the law - no diet/fitness/nutrition talk. You could compliment someone if they looked good and they could say 'thank you, I've been working on eating better/being more active' or whatever, but beyond that, nope. Exchange email or something and talk about it some other time. Worked surprisingly well.

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    Debating fitness with people on non-fitness forums...ugh.

    At our Thanksgiving this past year I had 2 relatives that wanted to get stronger/lose weight yet only did yoga and tried to argue with me about it. Didn't turn out well.

    In the end they had to admit that yoga doesn't work well for either, after being overwhelmed with proof of the mirror

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    Debating fitness with people on non-fitness forums...ugh.

    I seem to have made a couple of converts in a couple of married friends. The wife and I talked about working out for a while, and I ended up giving her Female Body Breakthrough which she really liked. The husband is an active runner but was feeling stagnated so his wife showed him some exercises from FBB and other sources, and he started strength training too. I have no idea what programming they're using but they seem to like it well enough. I loaned them NROLFA so they could read it and hopefully do the workouts as well.

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    Debating fitness with people on non-fitness forums...ugh.

    I am putting this here because it's not worth starting another thread, but ARGH. If I see one more woman saying 'I don't want to get bulky, I just want to tone up' on a blog/forum/message board, I may actually scream.

    (I ran into that one online several times today, in random and unexpected places like a knitting website.)

    I feel like I should make a t-shirt to wear when I work out: "No, actually, I AM trying to get bulky." ("Linda Hamilton in T2 is my role model"?)

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    Debating fitness with people on non-fitness forums...ugh.

    Quote Originally Posted by "PirateFoxy":1i2p0nrk
    I am putting this here because it's not worth starting another thread, but ARGH. If I see one more woman saying 'I don't want to get bulky, I just want to tone up' on a blog/forum/message board, I may actually scream.
    Truly - is there any other area that people go into as a novice stating "well, I don't want to be TOO successful at this ... after all, I'm willing to put in almost 3 hrs a week - I'd hate to end up like people who devote nearly all their waking time and effort into this process"

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    Debating fitness with people on non-fitness forums...ugh.

    Quote Originally Posted by "LisaS":j3dw0lls
    Truly - is there any other area that people go into as a novice stating "well, I don't want to be TOO successful at this ... after all, I'm willing to put in almost 3 hrs a week - I'd hate to end up like people who devote nearly all their waking time and effort into this process"
    Seriously. And then they go on to talk about doing the elliptical for an hour a day to 'tone' their thighs and butt or something. *headdesk*

    We also have some kind of major cultural issue to do with the concept of taking rest days when exercising. If I had a quarter for every post I've encountered somewhere talking about fitness where the poster says something like 'I've started this strength training program, but it says to take rest days, but I feel like I'm not doing enough then so I've been doing an hour of cardio every day, why am I not getting stronger?' I would be rich.

    (If I could figure out how they can put up with doing an hour of cardio on the machines in a gym every day without going insane from boredom, I would also be a lot fitter. )

    And while I am being cranky - omg, if you are sick, do not post to a forum or board to ask if you should go to the gym anyway, STAY HOME. You are sick, your body needs to recover, not to be further stressed. Plus, from a purely selfish perspective, I DO NOT WANT TO DEAL WITH YOUR GERMS. Particularly not when you sneeze or cough all over whatever you're using and then don't bother to wipe it down when you're done. Ew.

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    Debating fitness with people on non-fitness forums...ugh.

    There is a zumba instructor that likes to come workout on weights after she does her class which is great. But the back of her shirt reads "toning instructor" it sort of makes me homicidal.

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